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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
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Posted - 2008.06.02 22:24:00 -
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the gambling bug has bit me too. reserve 5 bonds.
question: when do you intend on starting this bond?
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 Originally by: Haakkon
I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
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Posted - 2008.06.02 22:28:00 -
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i think the reason why people are tossing isk at anything that comes in is because there isn't any new IPO's or bonds coming in at all. so when something does come in that seems even halfway good, it's like throwing a bone to a pack of starving dogs.
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Originally by: Haakkon
I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
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Posted - 2008.06.03 18:48:00 -
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due to Ming not willing to provide securities in any form, or an API audit by a trusted third party, i relinquish my reserved shares.
i also strongly warn others that are reserved or thinking about this IPO to take a serious second look at doing so.
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Originally by: Haakkon
I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
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Posted - 2008.06.03 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ming Daizong
Cataloging a trader's 'Who What When Where Why' is a scam of Mittani proportions.
that you would call the API key verification for investments a "scam of Mittani proportions" should tell anyone interested in investing in you that you've been planning a "scam of Mittani proportions" yourself. you don't want people to see what you're doing with the isk, to see that it doesn't get transferred off to another character and thus you don't get a reputation falling out here on MD, and you can pull the same scam again in the future.
if you wish to do trades on MD with any success, you're going to have to submit to an API audit to ensure that you really are on the up and up. if i were starting up an IPO, even a trade one, i would give my key to a trusted auditor to ensure that i'm not scamming. why? because that's the way things are done.
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Originally by: Haakkon
I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ming Daizong
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
Honestly, the API key doesn't tell me enough about someone for me to know if i should trust them with my isk or not but your reasoning for not giving up your API key is flawed.
Then why are you so obsessed with it? What are you getting out of it? Either invest or don't. You're not going to pressure me into giving the keys to the city away.
What we're getting out of it is a way for the auditor to track our isk, to ensure you're not just going to dump it to your main and give us the finger. What it is is security for us, a way for you to build up a reputation amongst the MD forum as someone that can be trusted with the isk that we invest. THAT is what we get out of it, is security, and YOU get a rep as being someone trustworthy.
And yes, we ARE going to question your motives because you are a new person here, which as the MD views people is "guilty until proven innocent". If someone comes here wanting to start up an IPO/business venture, they are viewed as scammers until they are proven trustworthy. Your fervent desire to not provide any kind of information that would show that you're not scamming us is not going to any lengths to show you as being trustworthy.
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Originally by: Haakkon
I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
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Posted - 2008.06.04 00:52:00 -
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How exactly do you figure that by giving out the API key for auditing purposes that it's going to be a huge risk to your venture? I might add that there have been plenty of trading IPO's before you that have provided API keys for auditing and have suffered no ill effects as a result of doing so.
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Originally by: Haakkon
I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ming Daizong
I think it is only fair that one businessperson treats another with respect, as some have. I understand the scam worries and would have them myself if put in the position of an investor. The attitudes many people have are completely unwarranted though and I don't feel the need to bend over backwards to kiss these peoples butts. Some people will, good for them, I won't.
I'm willing to make people happy (That's what this Bond is all about) but, to be honest, I'm not willing to be shat on and treated like a serf. The only case I would want some of these peoples' money is if this WAS a scam.
That said, I'll let this continue a little longer, I would like the opportunity to make some of the more supportive people some ISK. I hope this turns out to be a success in the end.
P.S. Perhaps the reason there is so many scams is because some of you are so needy and rude. Its easier to walk away with a jackasses money than a real decent guy's. Think about it.
1. You have not been treating people with respect that have been questioning and pushing you to use the API key audit. In fact, you've been downright rude to them when they've been asking for what is a standard method accepted on this forum. You have in fact said that it's an "API scam" that you won't participate in. The attitudes are not unwarranted, read MD some and you'll come to realize this.
2. No, you're not willing to make people happy. Want to make them happy? Submit to the API audit and you'll find that it will make them so. It's not "shatting" on you, or making you out to be a serf. All they have been asking is for you to give out a way to audit your operation, which is no more than they ask of any new investor (and even some ones that do have history). The mere fact that you aren't willing to hold to any accountability whatsoever points to this being nothing more than a mere scam you're perpetuating and you think people are stupid enough to fall for it.
3. That said, I would HIGHLY ENCOURAGE ANY INVESTORS TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS PERSON. I would like the opportunity to save them their isk from a scammer.
P.S. Perhaps the reason why people scam is because they want to find stupid people that will give them their money no questions asked. It's because they're so needy and rude because it's easier to be a jackass and walk away with their money than to be a real decent guy. Think about THAT.
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Originally by: Haakkon
I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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Tobin Shalim
Vulcan Foundry
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Posted - 2008.06.04 04:44:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Kwint
Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155
yeah the agenda is clear.....what? what the hell are you talking about? what agenda?
It's the MD-clique out to destroy another innocent trader as part of our evil scheme to take over the world! Muh ha ha ha ha! 
Hey, you weren't suppose to reveal that! Turn in your lapel pin, you're off the evil scheme committee.
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Originally by: Haakkon
I feel a great deal of patriotism at being a part of Goonswarm. We've accomplished great things... we're just mainly jerks about it
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